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Poor job with AA42

Post by squirecam on Sun 26 Jul 2009, 16:54

Well, its not like I didnt call it...

But AA42 is basically the EXACT revised map, redone in AAAv colors.

New rules (to match AAAv) but no tech.

Wow....

Total waste to buy this, even if it is cheap, since you have the same board and necessary pieces already.

WTH was WOTC thinking ???

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Re: Poor job with AA42

Post by questioneer on Sun 26 Jul 2009, 22:56

squirecam wrote:Well, its not like I didnt call it...

But AA42 is basically the EXACT revised map, redone in AAAv colors.

New rules (to match AAAv) but no tech.

Wow....

Total waste to buy this, even if it is cheap, since you have the same board and necessary pieces already.

WTH was WOTC thinking ???

Total waste of money. WOTC at its best.
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BAAWWW HAAAWW!!!!

Post by questioneer on Mon 27 Jul 2009, 10:19

Here the thread for all the pathetic info- this game should be sold for $10

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?board=66.0

Greg, please tell me that this game will NOT be the Mega Tourny premier game. Its gotta be AA50. The good news is that a reprint for AA50 is confirmed and underway- rumors have it that it will be reprinted by Christmas, but it could be next year.

Also, if you loved the crappy job WOTC did on AA42, just wait 'til they mess up the other games. They plan on redoing the rest of the AAline with similar artwork and changes with the AA50 rules. I hope they get Larry more involved in the redo of Europe and Pacific unlike this game. 2010 line should be interesting.

Of course with the shutdown of TripleA- that means the chimps will try to make a better CD game than TripleA- that will be joke. Wink
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Re: Poor job with AA42

Post by squirecam on Mon 27 Jul 2009, 14:10

WOTC : "Lets see. If we change the map colors, and use anniversary pieces, can we sucker people to buy this 'new' version??"

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Post by SwampHQ on Mon 27 Jul 2009, 14:27

questioneer wrote:

Greg, please tell me that this game will NOT be the Mega Tourny premier game. Its gotta be AA50. The good news is that a reprint for AA50 is confirmed and underway- rumors have it that it will be reprinted by Christmas, but it could be next year....I hope they get Larry more involved in the redo of Europe and Pacific unlike this game. 2010 line should be interesting.

Of course with the shutdown of TripleA- that means the chimps will try to make a better CD game than TripleA- that will be joke. Wink

Guys,

You got to remember, I have nothing to do with game production. I am not particularly happy about it either but we got to work with what they give us. lucky, tournaments are up to me and how I run them...

What that means is I will have to have events for AA42, tournament so to speak, but the main tournament can be moved to AA50, just not this year...

Peace,

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Re: Poor job with AA42

Post by SwampHQ on Mon 27 Jul 2009, 14:29

squirecam wrote:WOTC : "Lets see. If we change the map colors, and use anniversary pieces, can we sucker people to buy this 'new' version??"
Charles,

Were did you find this quote?

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Re: Poor job with AA42

Post by SwampHQ on Mon 27 Jul 2009, 14:35

questioneer wrote:
squirecam wrote:Well, its not like I didnt call it...

But AA42 is basically the EXACT revised map, redone in AAAv colors.

New rules (to match AAAv) but no tech.

Wow....

Total waste to buy this, even if it is cheap, since you have the same board and necessary pieces already.

WTH was WOTC thinking ???

Total waste of money. WOTC at its best.
You think that is bad, listen to this one. For GEN CON, they moved me out of the boardgaming hall to put AA mini's and all the AA boardgames together this year. Acutally sounds like a great plan and maybe a way to get cross over players to join in...

So, they schedule all AA mini's events seperate from my AA boardgame events but I keep close contact with the GEN CON boardgaming HQ hall master Lee Maile. We always meet at the SG just to go over things for GEN CON. He was realy worried that WotC crammed us into a space too small...well now that Lee worked everything out, I am hearing that WotC may now move mini's back to the CCG Hall so they can have more room? The whole idea was to promote the AH 5oth anniversary with all the games together and do the room up big...but now, I am not really sure what is going on...I just know that we will be in room 117 at GEN CON regardless where Mini's might be... affraid

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Re: Poor job with AA42

Post by questioneer on Mon 27 Jul 2009, 16:07

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Guys,

You got to remember, I have nothing to do with game production. I am not particularly happy about it either but we got to work with what they give us. lucky, tournaments are up to me and how I run them...

What that means is I will have to have events for AA42, tournament so to speak, but the main tournament can be moved to AA50, just not this year...

Peace,

Not you Greg, you do a fantastic job accomodating. The Mega should be the better of the two games and after the review of AA42 and online early opinions- its clearly AA50.

Word has it that the whole line will be redone- Europe, Pacific and the rest in this style. Many of the games are out of print. AA50 is confirmed to be reprinted- hopefully by Christmas. I asked Larry if he will have a more personal say in the redo of Europe/Pacific. The chimps will try to make the CD game too after the TripleA shutdown. Rolling Eyes
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Re: Poor job with AA42

Post by KurtGodel7 on Mon 10 Aug 2009, 12:50

questioneer wrote:Here the thread for all the pathetic info- this game should be sold for $10

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?board=66.0

Greg, please tell me that this game will NOT be the Mega Tourny premier game. Its gotta be AA50. The good news is that a reprint for AA50 is confirmed and underway- rumors have it that it will be reprinted by Christmas, but it could be next year.
I disagree. In online play (see http://triplea.sourceforge.net/mywiki ) you'll typically see 20 or more games of Revised for each game of AA50.

I'll grant that AA42 isn't Revised. But as has been discussed earlier, it's close. *Very* close, in fact. And until or unless AA50 manages to displace Revised in online play as the dominant game, it shouldn't be the centerpiece of the tournament.

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Re: Poor job with AA42

Post by questioneer on Mon 10 Aug 2009, 17:16

KurtGodel7 wrote:

I disagree. In online play (see http://triplea.sourceforge.net/mywiki ) you'll typically see 20 or more games of Revised for each game of AA50.

I'll grant that AA42 isn't Revised. But as has been discussed earlier, it's close. *Very* close, in fact. And until or unless AA50 manages to displace Revised in online play as the dominant game, it shouldn't be the centerpiece of the tournament.

For TripleA that may be true, but TripleA is shutdown and on AA.org all that is played is AA50.
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Re: Poor job with AA42

Post by KurtGodel7 on Tue 11 Aug 2009, 14:39

questioneer wrote:
KurtGodel7 wrote:

I disagree. In online play (see http://triplea.sourceforge.net/mywiki ) you'll typically see 20 or more games of Revised for each game of AA50.

I'll grant that AA42 isn't Revised. But as has been discussed earlier, it's close. *Very* close, in fact. And until or unless AA50 manages to displace Revised in online play as the dominant game, it shouldn't be the centerpiece of the tournament.

For TripleA that may be true, but TripleA is shutdown and on AA.org all that is played is AA50.

Thanks for the info re. AA.org. However, TripleA is not shut down. I used it just yesterday! Smile There are typically anywhere from six to twenty or more games in play at any one time. Evenings (U.S. time zones) typically see the most action.

On it, the most common game is Revised. The next most common is Pact of Steel. That player-created map is similar to Revised; except that five or seven or so territories have been added, Italy is a separate power, places like Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa are worth a bit more, and the starting configurations are different. It's a very good map; and well-balanced enough that there is typically no bid.

Following closely behind Pact of Steel in popularity is New World Order. Imagine Axis and Allies Europe, except on a *much* bigger and more complex map! There are a number of variants of that map. But the one with which I'm most familiar includes Germany, Italy, Romania, and Finland as the Axis powers, and the Soviet Union, France, the Colonial French, the British, and the Americans as the Allied powers.

Of the *many* things that make this map interesting, one is the inclusion of attackable neutral powers. Spain, for example, is divided into eight pieces; each of which has an income value from 1 - 5. Each of those pieces is defended by anywhere from one to eight units (depending on its size and importance). There are new unit types, including some land units with a movement of three. The extra mobility is quite important, because of the sheer scale of the map.

Finland, for example, starts with four territories, and an income of 13. If it expands westward to conquer neutral Norway and Sweden, it will add an additional seven territories, and an additional 14 IPCs in income. That may seem like a lot, until you consider that the Soviet Union begins the game with an income of 91; Germany with an income of 61; and Italy with an income of 40. Germany quickly adds to its income by conquering neutral Poland--all six pieces of it--as well as France. The Allies should expect to see the Germans arrive in Paris on G3.

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Re: Poor job with AA42

Post by KurtGodel7 on Tue 11 Aug 2009, 16:47

questioneer wrote:
For TripleA that may be true, but TripleA is shutdown and on AA.org all that is played is AA50.
I went to AA.org, hoping for online play/the chance to get into a game of AA50. There wasn't anything about online play on their main page, so I went to their links and resources page (http://www.axisandallies.org/node/31 ).

They mentioned three ways to play online. One had to do with the CD ROM game of Axis and Allies; which I assume means it's limited to Classic and Iron Blitz. The next involved A&A Miniatures (fun, but not directly relevant). And the third was TripleA.

When I wrote earlier that people were playing Revised a lot more than AA50, it was based on a series of direct, real time observations of the games people were actually playing on TripleA. If on the other hand one were to base one's conclusion on, for example, the volume of forum posts, it could lead to a skewed result. AA50 is a new game, and posting volume about it will be high (relative to the number of games played) until people get it figured out.

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Post by SwampHQ on Mon 17 Aug 2009, 09:20

KurtGodel7 wrote:

Thanks for the info re. AA.org. However, TripleA is not shut down. I used it just yesterday! Smile
There are typically anywhere from six to twenty or more games in play
at any one time. Evenings (U.S. time zones) typically see the most
action.


Kurt,

Yeah, that is what we are hearing...many talked about it at GC, so, I guess, it is what it is...

Peace,

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AA42

Post by SwampHQ on Mon 17 Aug 2009, 09:36

AA 1942 was released at GEN CON and now that I have a game under my belt, I believe we can now comment on what is and what isn't about the game...

For starters, I believe one must look at the whole picture. I believe WotC is trying to put out the best product possible. And IMHO, they made AAR better.

Now, take away the fact that it is now being marketed to more people, most of us here on this forum, for the most part, are already AA players. So, whatever the game is missing, in terms of bells and whisltes, just get over it. I gaurntee that, all those that buy a copy, will have more than enough ideas how to incorporate what is missing in the game (i.e. money, decent battle board (now, come on, how many of us really use the ones that do come with the game unless it is a big battle), more chips, (and who of us don't have enough chips already to put into ten games.)) cheers

SO, in short, I like the changes...they are for the good and they line up with the AA50 much better...

The board looks better though smaller due to the IPC chart at the bottom, which is a pain, NO TECH's, a beautiful thing, cruisers, and more...

Enjoy it...it is what we have...

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Optional rules

Post by GSH34 on Mon 24 Aug 2009, 10:31

Greg, for next years tourney, are you planning on using the two optional rules in AA42? The one that prevents naval units from using sz16 and the fighter escort rules for SBRs?

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Re: Poor job with AA42

Post by SwampHQ on Mon 24 Aug 2009, 16:06

GSH34 wrote:Greg, for next years tourney, are you planning on using the two optional rules in AA42? The one that prevents naval units from using sz16 and the fighter escort rules for SBRs?

Dave
Dave,

We just got threw with GEN CON...I think I might wait and see how things play out to be making those decisions even before I know what tournaments will be run...sorry.

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Re: Poor job with AA42

Post by GSH34 on Wed 26 Aug 2009, 14:23

SwampHQ wrote:
GSH34 wrote:Greg, for next years tourney, are you planning on using the two optional rules in AA42? The one that prevents naval units from using sz16 and the fighter escort rules for SBRs?

Dave
Dave,

We just got threw with GEN CON...I think I might wait and see how things play out to be making those decisions even before I know what tournaments will be run...sorry.

Peace,

Ok. Just wondering.

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